December 07 2024 15:49:00.

THE scene, even if ZX Spectrum seems to be more coded today, if you dont count one hour gamejams and birthday cards, we suppose the original scene was THE scene and if they can find some who still feel bare code beats procedural levels it might even be the last one standing after ZX and Amiga falls

The Machine | The Game(s) | "THE" Scene


20241207 : Think i finally got foothold on factory 2 in BfC moving from bunker-first to blockade while holding fac1 using alternating armour and assault .. it looks like it could be this time (no strategy guide xept lvl 1we stopped reading there it would be a total waste otherwise) ... Just like PG had a pc bought for 110% of the then monthly income, with subsequently shadow of the emperor still rated as ichiban tbs ever (from personal memories and immersion - just remember if you were there how VERY immersive doom and duke nukem was on that 14 inch crt with the 15 euro speakers paid for in francs still which didnt even have woofers but you were like INTHERE, compared to this 48" UHDr 4k ... it doesnt even come close since dark souls 1) ... Like civ 1 must be the only game the boy cut class for (shoulda done that more) if the kid had a game like this in the 80s on the c64 he might have quit school immediately and fled belgium as a statistical anomaly for places where shit is possible at the age of 10 ... or nine ... But the programming still helps best against the damage and subsequent mindstorms ... whatever last stand turns out by the day of posting we sure learned a lot that will be useful for the middlersted game. As a non 50fps fast paced action game 48 sprites + benefits will certainly come in handy. HAD NO CLUE you can have so many moving bits on screen that arent just colourcycling sections on the old machine that never died ... ofourse nobody here's the Sarge, or a dev, a pro, or an artist for that matter ... not a scener ... definitely not a lamer ... just LURV the old machine that never died , as well as the Atari ST for which we certainly wanna give a try aiming at battle isle as well ... deadline dead or demented (hopefully ? hope is one of the gates to hell so have none, you'll find out and life will decide for you when its over ... sounds nordic fatalist ? the people of the swamp et Bruoc Sala arent too far away, i cant imagine the primal drecklands gave rise to religions of hope but Ragnarok and end of days , gloomd and something in the fog must have been pretty popular ... SO WHAT AM I DOING TYPING HERE ?
20241206 : well we woulda given the fiver to Battle for Cronos but i think monte boyd is a primus here too at the end-year64 ... not that nixy or color-Tony aint worth a fiver, as are many others. Primarily if theres screentime available wed like to at least get a v0.01 version of "JoG writes a card (a.k.a. last stand)" before new year as its a new years card (to the machine ofcourse) but everything in the last weeks has been colluding to prevent anything but menialities from getting done, nothing important advances, only the battle against entropy. We finally sat down again for a few hours , practicing "how would it be to program like the cripple we'll likely be in 10 or so years" with a cat occupying one arm and having only one hand available to use the keyboard and mouse. Its not 78 rastersplits and its not brozai but i think we got better than ourselves from last year again, and ofcourse, if and when deemed presentable if will just be put on pouet and demozoo in silence and quiet, dont give a shit about who likes and how much better or worse it is than he, she or other ... never have ... i think thats why they think we are not normal : will take hammer to get sandwich when starving from the biped monkey passing by ... doesnt wanna compete to be better than ... "other" (lol) ... NEVER MIND
20241204 : xYou purchased the game on 2024-12-04 03:24:16 for $4.19 + $0.84 VAT ... we like itch for what its pretending to do (i bet its american so its just making money off of an untapped niche in reality ofcourse , lets see if they follow up on their 'come to america!' in germany and buy out VW .. o shit politics ... YOUTUBE KEEPS CRAWLING UP MY ASS UNINVITED WITH SIDEBARS IN STRANGE BROWSERS I DIDNT ASK FOR, LIKE OPENING UP the any tab on USA-DOS and getting msn no matter what and watching topminister and BV's UNASKED FOR... anyway, we LOVE itch despite that since they present a much needed platform, BUT THE EXECUTION AND SITE ? ... never heard of "vat-included" prices or bold enough in 2024 in IT to dare and say "thats too difficult to implement ..." ?
20241203 : itch is trying impressively hard to not let me view anything or purchase my coffee for this month support today ... last time i got charged twice on paypal and i hade to make a retard fuss about 2.99 ... but no matter what, i cant have neither paypal nor itch just do that and get away with it. I got the money back so we gud otherwise it would be like Valve and until i get my money back i buy nothing anymore there. ... its not about the amount tho actually currently €5 is €5 ... so the choice of the month would have been Battle for Cronos (by a lightmile to one such as us seeing as we have genes from panzer general and battle isle spliced into the system after so many sessions back on the first pc. But they dont accept a coffee for the ddl and sadly as much as wed like to have a basement full of boxes and a maid to clean them b/C the dustmite allergy doesnt like boxes. We dont have to worry about the issue b/C we dont have a basement and frankly no space in the borg cube for boxes either. Hopefullly they sell lots and get motivated to do "campaign editor", "Wargame Construction Set 64" and Cronos 2 : shadow of the emperors cousin. So i guess we go for monte Boyd (tho Felvidek is the clear winner in total this month december unless something really O-box pops up) but i been refreshing pages for the past good two hours and i still cant get to it...
20241124 : desu ne ... des yo ... so we got to a little programming and under current circumstances it eats most of the day just to try and juggle 48 sprites around but its a first so its progress ... anyone who wants to see it will just have to dl it from here or demozoo b/c there wont be no entry, its just "JoG writes a christmas card 'aka : Last Stance'" , a feat to us in our second year of real c64 programming but not fanatic with only 39 years to go til fairlight (if they stop coding today otherwise we'll never catch up), probably nothing impressive to a Trident or a Trap but HEY, 48 sprites on a bitmap with animated parts sure will come in handy for Middlersted (the game) thatsone thing . So here on the day of the lord according to the impaled Nazarene we sit to check up on csdb and fpga news and they hit us with a surprise attack of 500 entries for mysdata while PCN seems to have 10 hours of livestream this week (i hope the wife aint filing for divorce yet lol) ... so as much as we wanted to check out battle for kronos (also for "use of screenspace in a tbs or tbg" but also b/c its kinda rare to see games like these appear on a platform thats not really built for it, and also while you sit and wonder watching the last FLT demo : is Trident human or a freak of nature who has a c64 in a sexdoll they take to bed at night and keep poking all night long (... ppoooking ?) , you wonder COULD THAT ACTUALLY BE USED as full screenspace for a (turnbased) game that has keyboard or joystick controls as well (no clue) ...) so instead of kronos and nixy 2 and its been SO LONG since we played space taxi we get stuck halfway the entries of mys and its time for first cycle ...
ah, well it looks like we're down to the last spot where it rains inside the living room, the garage is another story but im afraid that will require lifting the rooftiles which is past my level of mcgyver and at thispoint in spacetime by now physical capabilities ... the entries are for mysdata AND transmission ?(inoneweek?)that explains why theres 500 of themthen k k ,ok i see
looks like its been a gud demo year again. The GOTY ? .. i would have to do a round up but as we are , i bet it would go to Spelunky but havent checked nixy 2 so cant say ... (both arent originals btw if thats your objection : neither is) .... anyway, burning time and cycles here, EOF...
20241106 : it seems to take all links and chew them up correctly, older entries should display the "please download from csdb too" tho its possible here and there a glitch (tho i dont think so other than stuff before 2024 10 not directly linking to the creators specific page, we might run a script to convert it, after we do the other 7000 things) ... AN AMAZING YEAR for demos64 again, and i see they're trying to work on the future too ... GANBARRE ! (i remember losing a bit of intrest when i found about titties and beer tho ...) still, good luck ! its divine work and calling to keep the old machine alive ...
looks like the old scraprig i got for free from computerguy down the hill finally gave in to Compvalla ... if i had my whole kit and some lessons behind my teeth it would be an awesome opportunity. Now the question arises : "a refurbished mini or not" ... to replace it. I kinda got used to it since i got and installed it ... its possibe it just starts up tomorrow, earlier this week i had like a login that wouldnt work no matter the caps and num lock combos of the password i thought to remember ... 50 or 60 tries, the next day i enter it and it just logs in ... computers are sometimes ... well like little bitches right, anything past the 16bit era can act up as if its my ex girlfriends .... pardon my french .. but you know what i mean , i dont feel disclaiming that im not a womanhater b/c some women have dicks today and all that im too old and skool for that sorry, i also dont live in america , ITS NOT A REALLY BIG DEAL HERE IS IT
20241105 : changed the form to add scene entries in the "we like" tab ... which reminds me we gotta split some of the welikes from janesgeems over the others ... so now its just adding the link to the CSDB page and the server will chew it up and spit it out in filecard format. REST AND SLEEP EASY O L33T ONES ... i know basic is hard but regex is not , this only takes the same from the csdb server as serving the webpage : once - when we decide "we like" we add the link to webform click submit, it GETS the page (more or less) the csdb server serves it, anything else happens on this server, the proces only happens once too, we changed download to "please download from csdb" b/c we noticed the download counter doesnt tick up if its downloaded from here ... (observed, did not analyze) so at most you get two pageviews (resourcewise that should be nice and to us, well we like desteren-on-website so its nice too) ... this should also make it easy to repair broken entries b/C now we just have to enter the link again and it will create a new entry with the right links (pictures sometimes seem to change and stuff) ofcourse we're not gonna be scraping fromthe cron to see if any of the entries changed any of the links or names but if we notice we do, you're free to mail us about changes made but since no one ever comes here and we dont care (its also very mobile unfriendly i bet b/C it relies on scrollbars inside scrolling sections in sections and hovering and whatnot im not sure if there's menus left that only appear when you hover the mouse on a place but its possible ... the site is an extension of the head : design :ZeroDesign , concept : Janes OnderGrond ... you cant slice Janes nice bits , you take the whole ondergrond or you get a bloody mess) SO TO SAY JUST ... this is a lot easier for us, its nice to do php b/c php doesnt tell us to tab thrice in line 10 OR ELSE and it shouldnt take resources b/C the entry happens only once per edit (which usually is only once) and takes no more than serving the webpage would. Thanks, please send all your money to 1-800-JOG ... we dont have Jesus tho ... but we'll promise you whatever you want before we take the money and run ! NO DOUBT !
okay then, the pain has been incapacitating for two days again so instead of lying down just having pain, this is a welcome distraction but i think the body is at its limits ... IF ANYONE NOTICES BAD DATA IN THE ENTRIES mails will be checked okay , just dont add a "click here for uncle warbucks in Zambeziaton City, he has a lost billion he forgot to give you" if you please we dont really like those.
it seems to have some issues with a certain number of pages linked , but that shouldnt be unfixable, we left at str_contains but thats years ago now and probably will take about 20 to seep thru the mainline, apparently theres a heap like str_replace() and others too so there might not even be a need for regex and can just use magic functions. Thats a nice reaction but since we dont do this for money we just pick up whats needed when we do it, thx... otherwise im sure we would be up to speed with php 8.5 (now in early access for only €99.99!) already, thx thx,no applause needed, thx.
thx ...
20241023 : well it looks a little more 64-ey at least we got that much now...
20241022 : most of firefux has been unfuxed tho by the next update it will probably start spawning yellow ooze in the console again as usual.
20241022 : we seems to have a few Ffux errors in teh console trying to cram it in place , also the by-month loader doesnt work, it was complaining about $ earlier but there is no jquery anywhere in sight so we'll get back to it when we'll get back to it.
20240716 : i dont have the playtimes of those 2 sids so ill put them as 6:66 for now
20240701 : hm yea, the discovery of JagStudio as one of the solitary stranded aliens who ever owned one here has split the timeline over another alternate universe as here, just cleaned up a little some stuff had still the almorkat links after moving the subsite on the server , in the process of going over the june additions on csdb aaaand ... well ... did Elon send that small billion yet ? no ? then we are not hard-pressed to do #stuff , no roadmaps no deadlines - hmm, if the playlist on the sidplayer is empty thats crotter telling you you can only have sites on faceberg or tooter - use firefox or clean/refresh cache
20240601 : went over all entries and fixed some stuff - however broken links are possible its not a scraper, if anyone actually visits this and finds one, feel free to mail (anything@janesondergrond.art will reach just dont start with YOUR HERITAGE IN SOUTH AMERICA FAST! or something) well fix it ... its passtime hobby and gets us nothing but the brainrot prevention so we dont care much what anyoone thinks about it ...
20240528 : added game of the month (assuming there is at least one we find to be that particular month)
20240501 : plz remember the top date on page means "index page edited at" not any of the include files
20240415 : added Hermits javascript sidplayer with a prelim list Aeneid sits in the personal top 10 tho ...
20240413 : we can SEE its a mess, thx, things will fall in place
20240406 : we kinda misplaced the data and have to re-enter feb, jan and dec but normally it wouldnt stand on mar in apr - it will be a mess until its less of it - nothing to prove, miss64 is simply the first one to ever say hello world to us (miss Amiga only did that last month after we finally found Amos ...)
20240404 : switched the browser emulator to https://c64emulator.111mb.de/index.php?site=pp_javascript&group=c64 , which seems to (not be a perfect copy of real hw but) give options, maybe dragging links directly can be whacked into it at some time , looks like it doesnt work with anything but maybe it needs special headers (in which case id need to know what illegal codes i need to put in the header and dissect every demo so that will probably not happen b/c i dont get paid to debug other ppls shit (in this case great shit imo, WELL DOCUMENTED TOO , EXCELSIOR!) ... the demo works fine you can find it on csdb but the browser thing seem to murder the scroller ... browser wasm has (to us) a notorious reputation with variable framerates, something a c64 doesnt have so the music might take a little jump here and there too probably its that ... but nobody heres a pro so we dont know ... glad we got in a shape and form of existence where we can at least manage a few lines of html and php this week after seeing hedgehogs where there werent any from over-exhaust ... "things will fall in place" as one cred if it bothers you theres probably a button in the top-right and you will be saved. (things WILL fall in place, you just have the wrong idea on how entropy = balance but you mowing the lawn actually upsets that so the universe has to fix it, YOU HOMO-CENTRIST YOU .. *ahem*...)

on a sidenote : the frontpage updates tab wont update c64 when a scene prod is added, only when the pages are edited or something personal is added. Its a personal pick. If you want to be influence we suggest RGN and Dino for c64, PCN and Lu for the Mister and Ataricrypt for the ST .. but you could just go straight to the source and decide what you like for yourself.

the machine

as always : there are no sponsors or sponsored links here (but Jeff or Elon is free to send us a quick spare billion in appreciation of our work)
  • C64 - original breadbin kernel rev3, sid 6581 - looked as if it hadnt been out of the box yet so actually scared to turn it on b/c it totallly looks like nothing has been replaced yet so ... in essence it could go at any time.
  • sd2iec drive (4gb overkill) , the one on the site looks like the one we have but it might not be the same version anymore. The sd drive actually came with the computer when we bought it.
  • Kung Fu Flash (64gb ultrakill) , this one is handmade in Finland, if its representative of the guys work i can kinda vouch for the quality . It slots a 64gb card b/c simply small ones are kinda harder to find and they usually cost MORE than 128 or 256/512gb cards .. problem with retrodrives is they dont alway like huge cards (as we found out later with the ST) - firmware has been upgraded a few times by now. This thing is simply the best! There was a datasette with the computer too but either the cassetes dont work or the thing is a bit off. We dont really have a way to test and if we want to spend money on ebay there seems to be always something else than "a 40 year old c64 tape" we want. The only thing issss... the EASYFLASH (which is supported by kungfu flash as it has 1MB of flash memory) was never built to its max potential (which is 2Megabytes) so thats a bit sorry , but if it were a kungfu flash would need 2MB of flash mem too but if it did we at the very least would certainly want the 2MB version ...
  • 9 pin ArcadeR joystick this one sits in the ST as it can be rewired for 2 buttons support but actually we wanted for the mister FPGA but almost none of the cores seem to support the 9pin port on a 'full stack' package , including the c64 ... bummer b/c playing c64 games with an xbox-type controller just somewhat feels like sacrilege
  • Atari CX joysticks bought on Etsy, 3 for €15, sold as "original" , one had a broken firebutton but that was nice b/c we got some practice fixing it up with another broken one lying around here. These are slotted into the computer and never get taken out , port-wear is also a nightmare on 30+40+ yo machines imo, a FUN FACT : the sticks cost €15 on etsy from a guy in canada, by the time they got here, the Euro and Belga- Santa Tax made that €79 ...
The machine actually got bought b/c we just HAD to know the sound of a real sid versus goat versus sidplayer versus vice vs ... which all seemed to sound different. Atm for games usually we use mister FPGA, (for Atari ST too, for games that is) xept easyflash b/c the mister core doesnt support that (it also doesnt have jagpad ports on the ST/MiST core in STE mode as we found out recently) so its mainly to test the game until we feel confident in electronics and actually have bought a rework station, b/c if it breaks down atm we couldnt even fix it or at least try to replace the capacitors (i think we should be able to do at least that ... smaller stuff will probably be hard at lvl0 in electronics)
and so ...
if they woulda let the kid do, maybe it wouldnt be WE and the kid might have been one of the better programmers in the country, we'll never find out

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mess ? it's a BORG CUBE, not a "gaming room", what do you think this is, Disneyland ? feel free to send us a mansion with "lights in the garden" and we'll use the space as if we have some ...
ofcourse no roadmaps no deadlines, also Tyrnannoght , we spent some time on a little part of the lore, might as well use it.